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What Does PoCv11 Mean For Me?

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Short ver­sion: Use a low gain anten­na, report your loca­tion and anten­na gain accu­rate­ly. If you’re in the US, this isn’t a big deal, as our radios pump out enough pow­er to get excel­lent range even with a low gain anten­na. If you’re in a region (UK, EU, etc) where your radio out­put is low, PoCv11 will prob­a­bly decrease your range significantly.

Updated Deep Dive over here.

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PoCv11 is designed to help the Net­work more accu­rate­ly assess loca­tion from radio fre­quen­cy strength sig­nals and to keep Hotspots in RF reg­u­la­to­ry com­pli­ance. It cleans up a few mis­takes Heli­um made ear­ly on in try­ing to assess radio sig­nal strength in an attempt to com­bat gaming.

That’s it. If you are accu­rate­ly report­ing your anten­na gain and your loca­tion, there’s no penal­ty and noth­ing else you need to do.

Nor­mal­ly I love to explain com­pli­cat­ed things, but this one is so damn sim­ple it’s hard to do bet­ter than Amir Haleem, CEO at Helium:

i’ll try and sum­ma­rize what PoC V11 does:

adds region­al sup­port for PoC — today the net­work treats all PoC activ­i­ty as if it’s oper­at­ing in the US. this is a prob­lem as dif­fer­ent regions run on dif­fer­ent radio fre­quen­cies and at dif­fer­ent pow­er lev­els (by law), so what is con­sid­ered valid or invalid varies sub­stan­tial­ly. V11 adds region­al aware­ness based on the assert­ed loca­tion of the Hotspot

removes SNR from the valid­i­ty checks — today both the sig­nal-to-noise ratio and free space path loss cal­cu­la­tion (FSPL) is used to deter­mine whether PoC pack­ets are valid or not. this was an attempt to make it more dif­fi­cult for gamers to lie about their loca­tion. it has­n’t worked well and is being removed. SNR proved to be fair­ly use­less as a mech­a­nism, so now only an FSPL cal­cu­la­tion is used to deter­mine whether Hotspots are where they say they are in rela­tion to each other

adds a region­al fre­quen­cy check — V11 intro­duces a check to make sure that PoC pack­ets are being sent at the cor­rect fre­quen­cy for the region the Hotspots are locat­ed in. for exam­ple if a Hotspot is trans­mit­ting pack­ets in the US fre­quen­cy bands but based in South Korea, those pack­ets would now be invalid

com­plies with local pow­er out­put reg­u­la­tions — dif­fer­ent regions have dif­fer­ent max­i­mum pow­er out­put laws for unli­censed radios. in the US, for exam­ple, the max EIRP is 36dBm. in the EU this is 16.5dBm. cur­rent­ly in PoC v10 the pow­er out­put is hard­cod­ed to 27dBm for the US and rest of the world, and 14dBm for the EU. V11 will reduce the pow­er out­put if the com­bi­na­tion of the max­i­mum out­put pow­er + anten­na gain exceeds the local laws — for exam­ple, a Hotspot oper­at­ing in the US with a 5.8dBi anten­na would have a total EIRP of the Hotspot pow­er out­put (27dBm) + the 5.8dBi anten­na = 32.8dBm total EIRP, which is below the 36dBm allowed. noth­ing would change in this case. if instead the anten­na was changed to a 10dBi anten­na bring­ing the total EIRP to 27dBm + 10dBi = 37dBm, the min­er soft­ware will reduce the pow­er out­put of the Hotspot by 1dBm so that the total is less than equal to the 36dBm allowed by law. in the EU a 5.8dBi anten­na would cause the Hotspot pow­er out­put to be reduced to 10.7dBm so that the total EIRP is 16.5dBm

PoC V11 does not have any­thing to do with the 10 wit­ness max­i­mum, or the wit­ness ran­dom­iza­tion changes that were added recent­ly. we’re hop­ing to acti­vate PoC V11 in ear­ly Octo­ber. it is cur­rent­ly not active.

But, but, but, it COSTS MONEY to state my anten­na gain! Relax, dawg. It costs 55,000 DC. That sounds like a lot. It’s not. 

1 DC = $. 00001. So, 55,000 x .00001 = $.55. You can afford that.

I know you want to get all worked up about PoCv11 and how it will change things. Relax, it’s not a big deal as long as you’re play­ing by the rules. It’s part of Heli­um’s efforts to improve the net­work. Col­or with­in the lines (report your loca­tion, anten­na gain, and ele­va­tion accu­rate­ly) and PoCv11 will only make things better.

Comments

64 responses to “What Does PoCv11 Mean For Me?”

  1. David Avatar
    David

    With­out sound­ing crit­i­cal, it’s impor­tant that peo­ple under­stand that the above relates a lot more to the US, in the UK where a good set up, LMR400 cable, roof mount­ed sev­er­al metres above your house with good line of sight will still see a RAK 5.8 reach 4–5 hex­es if you’re lucky due to the already reduced pow­er (I have 24 hotspots in a vari­ety of envi­ron­ments run­ning and have tried mul­ti­ple anten­na in mul­ti­ple loca­tions for weeks at a time so have a lit­tle expe­ri­ence) spend­ing mon­ey on a decent 8 DBI makes a huge dif­fer­ence in HNT earn­ings here, and there’s a strong feel­ing that those in the EU are get­ting hit hard for spend­ing hun­dreds on a good set up, whilst most US users aren’t both­ered so the “don’t wor­ry” com­ments are from those like­ly to be based in the US and there­fore unaf­fect­ed — an “I’m alright Jack” atti­tude and I’d sug­gest an empha­sis in the your writ­ing that it’s a US focus only.

    There’s also a lot of con­fu­sion on Dis­cord as to whether the reduc­tion in pow­er is only tem­porar­i­ly applied at the point of broad­cast­ing a bea­con and the full strength of the anten­na is still avail­able the rest of the time, or if its applied for both broad­cast and receive.

  2. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    Great points David, thanks for bring­ing ’em up! 

  3. Jonathan Pampers Avatar
    Jonathan Pampers

    Cor­rect me if I am wrong, but sure­ly those in the EU (or oth­er coun­tries with a low­er EIRP lev­el) can’t real­ly grum­ble about Heli­um low­er­ing pow­er out­puts so that they are with­in legal lev­els? If the long-term growth of the net­work is what peo­ple want, sure­ly hundreds/thousands of hotspots oper­at­ing over legal lev­els in a coun­try is a good way to go about get­ting it banned?

  4. David Avatar
    David

    Hi Jonathan

    While I agree its got to be legal, the main issue is com­mer­cial via­bil­i­ty- if no mat­ter what you did your hotspot could only reach 2 RES 8 hex­es, and required a good roof mount to get even that, would the cur­rent reward struc­ture jus­ti­fy its long term via­bil­i­ty and would that pro­vide effec­tive cov­er­age to build the net­work that is envi­sioned? If you’re look­ing at a Euro­pean pop­u­la­tion near­ly 2.5X that of the USA, then it’s vital for glob­al growth that it works effec­tive­ly here, and if it is reduced, then com­pen­sa­tion has to be increased per hotspot for peo­ple to con­tin­ue to invest in the box­es and grow the net­work — if after POC11 a US box with a 5.8 can reach 6 miles and a Euro­pean box with the same anten­na can reach only 2 after it’s pow­er is reduced (which is what you cur­rent­ly might see with a stan­dard 1.2 DBI here if very lucky) then assum­ing cir­cu­lar cov­er­age you’re look­ing at a mas­sive dif­fer­ence in cov­er­age per hotspot — 13 square miles vs 113 square miles and a mas­sive dif­fer­ence in rewards earned. For HNT to work and increase in val­ue over time you need to see con­tin­ued increased glob­al cov­er­age, peo­ple just won’t con­tin­ue to invest in box­es in Europe if it isn’t finan­cial­ly ben­e­fi­cial to the buy­er here, destroy­ing the HNT val­ue for US owners.

  5. Jonathan Pampers Avatar
    Jonathan Pampers

    I agree with you there David. From the south­east asian per­spec­tive, we have sim­i­lar EIRP lim­its to the EU, and whilst the eco­nom­ic dis­par­i­ty between SEA and the USA might still be enough incen­tive in the short term, there does need to be an effec­tive long-term incen­tive for peo­ple to estab­lish good coverage.

  6. Mario Avatar
    Mario

    @David, thx so much for your thoughts! You’re com­plete­ly right. Got my bob­cats on Sep­tem­ber 7th (2 months late) to Croa­t­ia (EU) and been strug­gling ever since to catch up. 8 bob­cats, extra tax­es, LMR-400, out­door rooftop setups, poe, split­ters, solar pan­el, LifeP04 bat­ter­ies etc. for one off-grid, >300 hours of work & trou­bleshoot­ing. Not too cheap, espe­cial­ly cuz 75% of the stuff I need­ed to order from out­side of Croatia… 

    If I count in the hours spent, well, the ROI is… lets just say under­whelm­ing. Aver­ag­ing 0.3 HNT per min­er with shift­ing to WUPU mind­set isn’t what I expect­ed but still push­ing through and strug­gling. At least for now (hon­est­ly).

    Or maybe I’m doing some­thing wrong but still haven’t fig­ured out what… For exam­ple, Slow Hot­pink Camel has >90 wit­ness­es. Dis­cov­ery >110. Not relayed, port open, ping-ok. rooftop, RAK anten­na, 2 feet LMR400 cable… Yet, in the last days it’s made 1.426 HNT TOTAL. Thats 0.2 aver­age a day. I mean seri­ous­ly wtf, some on first floors or indoors make that much. I just don’t think its fair because in com­par­i­son to oth­ers with (worse or same no. of wit­ness­es etc.) its way less. If only some­one can point me in the right direc­tion. @gristleking? 🙂

    Any­way, enjoy the rest of your days peo­ple and good luck to us on this endeavour.

  7. Nikko Avatar
    Nikko

    Does your gen­er­al rule of thumb to place your min­er loca­tion with­in 150m of its actu­al loca­tion still apply?

  8. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    Yep. The clos­er the bet­ter, but 150m will prob­a­bly con­tin­ue to be fine. I mean, we won’t know until after PoCv11 actu­al­ly hits, but I’m guess­ing it’ll be fine.

  9. Vapaaherra Avatar
    Vapaaherra

    Hi Nik! Thanks for all the great con­tent regard­ing Heli­um min­ing! A ques­tion from a Euro­pean read­er con­cern­ing PoC v11: is 3 dbi & more pow­er from the hotspot equal to, say, 5.8 dbi & reduced pow­er from the hotspot in the EU, or is there going to be a ben­e­fit in the future to use a high­er gain anten­na in the EU? Is it still going to pro­vide longer range and/or dif­fer­ent shape of the radio “donut”?

  10. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    Vapaa­her­ra, as I under­stand it, all hotspots in a region will be trans­mit­ting at equal pow­er once PoCv11 goes into effect, as long as the hotspot own­ers accu­rate­ly enter their gain into the app. 

    Now, I’m sure that a bunch of peo­ple will either for­get to update or will try enter­ing var­i­ous oth­er num­bers out­side of what they’re doing in an attempt to con­nect with more local hotspots. 

    I’m not sure how that will work out, oth­er than accu­ra­cy with­in a dB or 2 is prob­a­bly close enough. That’s just a guess though. We’re all pret­ty darn curi­ous about how it’ll pan out. 

    Here in the US I’m just going to use a low gain anten­na (3 dBi), report it accu­rate­ly and see what happens.

  11. Volkan Avatar
    Volkan

    What is the impli­ca­tion for the UK then? If I have under­stood this cor­rect­ly — we are cur­rent­ly, even with stock anten­nas, broad­cast­ing over the legal lim­it. With PoC v11 we will see the over­all sig­nal strength reduced to be just under the 16.5dbmi that is allowed (as I under­stand it the changes will hard code atten­u­a­tion to delib­er­ate­ly NOT equal but just under­shoot the legal limits) 

    Will this mean we see reduced net­work cov­er­age due to sig­nal throt­tling? Will this result in a dif­fer­ent out­come / rebal­anc­ing of trans­mit scales in hex’s due to reduced sig­nal strength? 

    From the out­side it seems like a change that will bare­ly affect the US but will have quite big impli­ca­tions in the UK / EU

  12. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    That appears to be an accu­rate assess­ment. I don’t think we’ll see a rebal­anc­ing of trans­mit scales, although that’s a very inter­est­ing idea to apply region­al­ly. Write a HIP up!

  13. Dizzy Avatar
    Dizzy

    I dont know how it is in the Europe and oth­er coun­tries but US cit­i­zens have a lot of pow­er and con­trol on our gov­ern­ments rules. Per­haps there is method to voice the anten­na pow­er lim­it so low?

  14. Mark Avatar
    Mark

    Thanks King for shar­ing your expe­ri­ence. When set­ting anten­na gain, should the dbi loss­es via anten­na cable length and con­nec­tions be fac­tored in for accuracy?

  15. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    Yep. Remem­ber, they’re try­ing to mea­sure what will be received, which will include your gain & loss from anten­na, cables, con­nec­tors. Pro­l­ly not a huge deal to be off by 1 dBm, so if you’re not engi­neer-accu­rate no big deal.

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  17. Ethan Avatar
    Ethan

    Hey Nik,
    As of today (11/30/2021), with SNR being removed from the cal­cu­la­tion and leav­ing only RSSI, do you have the RSSI lim­its that would make a wit­ness event ‘invalid’ or ‘valid’. See the fol­low­ing link for the pre­vi­ous POcv10 SNR vs RSSI lim­its graph. Let me know if the link does­n’t work.
    https://ibb.co/8PZ7gk4

  18. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    I don’t think we’ve moved to PoCv11 yet Ethan, so the old chart is still in play.

  19. Jay Avatar
    Jay

    I have a 6dbi with 30′ feet of lmr400. I input it at 5.8 because I know there is some loss with 30′ of cable. Not sure if I did it right but I guess will see on Monday.

  20. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    Tech­ni­cal­ly that amount of cable loss will be 1.4 plus your con­nec­tors, so you’re clos­er to 4.6, maybe 4.5.

  21. Renas Avatar
    Renas

    Hey Nik, great post.

    Will pocV11 reg­u­late pow­er in both trans­mit and receive or just transmit?

    Are the pow­er lim­i­ta­tions only depen­dant on what anten­na gain you input in the app or can Heli­um detect your actu­al pow­er? If it is mere­ly depen­dant on what you input in the app, could you not in the­o­ry still use a 8 dBi and input 3 dBi in the app in an attempt to not get your pow­er limited?

    Thanks in advance!

  22. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    Hi Renas, PoCv11 eval­u­ates sig­nals on both sides, trans­mit and receive. If you put in an inac­cu­rate num­ber, the fur­ther that num­ber away is from real­i­ty, the more like­ly you’ll have an invalid wit­ness event. Remem­ber, pow­er DOUBLES every 3 dB. If you use an 8 dBi and input 3, your anten­na will both send­ing and receiv­ing an addi­tion­al 5 dB, which is almost quadru­ple (2 x 2) what it “should” be. 

    As long as you accu­rate­ly report your set­up, there’s no fur­ther action required. 

    As far as I know, there’s no way to detect if you’re accu­rate­ly report­ing or not oth­er than the sub­mit­ted reports. Heli­um can’t detect what your actu­al pow­er is, just what’s being report­ed by your miner.

  23. Stan Avatar
    Stan

    I am in UK. Fol­low­ing Niks advice I got HNten­na’s for my 2 hotspots and I reach hotspots 60km away. That is a lot more than 4 hex­es. I also get far bet­ter rewards than most around me and a notice­ably bet­ter at receiv­ing trans­mis­sions than many who appear to have high­er gain anten­na up high­er than mine and reach­ing 80 to 100kms on transmit.
    Just get an HNtenna !!

  24. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    Thanks for the report Stan, glad it’s work­ing well for ya!

  25. Dennis Avatar
    Dennis

    Hel­lo, Love your con­tent, thank you! Quick ques­tion… do we need to reset our loca­tion and pay the fee also or do we just resub­mit the Anten­na and dbi gain using the wal­let app?

  26. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    Should­n’t need to reassert your loca­tion (unless you actu­al­ly move your hotspot). Just make sure your gain is report­ed accu­rate­ly and you should be fine. 🙂

  27. anders Avatar
    anders

    What is the ben­e­fit of hav­ing a high­er gain anten­na in EU when the pow­er sig­nal is get­ting lim­it­ed so much?

    If I com­pare using a 8 dbi anten­na and the pow­er gets reduced to match the pow­er of a 3 dbi anten­na, would­n’t it always be bet­ter to use a 3 dbi anten­na in all cas­es since the pow­er sig­nal would be the same anyway? 

    Also, the 3 dbi anten­na would cov­er a big­ger beam path than the 8 dBi. So using a 8 dBi you would lose cov­er­age AND sig­nal strength with pocv11.

    Is this cor­rect or am i mis­un­der­stand­ing this?

    Thanks Nik.

  28. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    I think you’re accu­rate­ly assess­ing the sit­u­a­tion. I don’t see a ben­e­fit to a high­er gain anten­na in the EU (or almost any­where). There are excep­tions, for sure, but in gen­er­al a low gain anten­na up high & out­side will earn the most for any giv­en location.

  29. Rob Irwin Avatar
    Rob Irwin

    Thank you so much for all the advice you put out here and on Youtube Nik, my knowl­edge of heli­um min­ing has accel­er­at­ed so quick­ly since dis­cov­er­ing your site.
    Could you help me with a spe­cif­ic bit of advice regard­ing POCv11 and the UK/EU please?
    I have an indoor nebra cur­rent­ly with an 8dbi nebra anten­na, 6 meters of LMR-400 cable and a light­ning arrestor. Now that POCv11 has kicked in does this mean my Nebra is throt­tling the out­put to a full 4.1dbi and tak­ing into account the loss for the cable and arrestor or would the anten­na now be some­thing like 3dbi due to cable and fit­ting losses?
    Sec­ond­ly, does this throt­tling effec­tive­ly change the sig­nal pat­tern of the 8dbi anten­na to look more like a 3dbi anten­na or would it stay nar­row and long, just weak­er? I’d like to know if its worth the effort to change to a 5.8dbi or even low­er dbi anten­na. I’m in a remote loca­tion you see and there aren’t many oth­er hotspots around which is why I have been using the 8dbi.

  30. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    Hi Rob, the Nebra won’t throt­tle any­thing, but Heli­um will depend­ing on what you enter into the app. Take the anten­na gain, sub­tract the cable/connector loss, and enter that into the app.

    Cable loss won’t change the pat­tern, it’ll just weak­en the sig­nal through­out that pattern.

  31. Mario Avatar
    Mario

    Hi Nik. You said it’s not a big deal as long as I’m play­ing by the rules… but in my case it’s a huge deal. PoCv11 did the oppo­site for me (get­ting 20 invalids that I did­n’t have before) and earn­ings down “clipped” by 60% (round vanil­la drag­on­fly). Every­thing assert­ed cor­rect­ly, 3dbi McGill anten­na gain — 3m(10ft) LMR-400 Times Microwave cable (0,384 loss) — Times Microwave arrestor (0,2 loss) — 0,1 for con­nec­tors = 2,316 dbi assert­ed. High up over­look­ing the city. Was mak­ing 0.7 HNT before PoCv11, now down to 0.25. Any sug­ges­tions what to do, please…? (EU locat­ed, Bob­cat 2GB, RUT240)

  32. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    Hi Mario, inter­est­ing that you’re doing every­thing “right” and your earn­ings went down. My *guess* is that your invalids are com­ing from near­by hotspots who haven’t updat­ed their anten­na gain, which will change the report­ed val­ues into the invol­id zone. That’s just my guess. It’s an off grid?

  33. Stefan Avatar
    Stefan

    Noth­ing actu­al­ly changed since POCV11, my hotspot is 150m away from the real loca­tion and my antenne dbi is 5 instead of 4. So POCV11 isn’t a big deal.…

  34. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    100%, thank you Stefan!

  35. Hi Avatar
    Hi

    Hi every­one 🙂 one ques­tion. Where did 16,5 dbm came from when in Europe MAX EIPR = 25mw and this is 14 dbm. In that case we can­not use any anten­na or I miss­ing someting?

  36. DimmiD Avatar
    DimmiD

    Hi Nik!
    I under­stand, that PoCv11 reduces the pow­er of the trans­mit­ted sig­nal. But what does mean ” PoCv11 eval­u­ates sig­nals on both sides, trans­mit and receive” for the receiv­ing side? Is the receiv­ing (the wit­ness­ing) min­er apply­ing its anten­na gain math­e­mat­i­cal­ly to the phys­i­cal­ly mea­sured RSSI?

    Best Regards!
    Dimmi

  37. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    The final “num­ber” used to assess anten­na sig­nal strength takes into account both the gain on the tx side and the sen­si­tiv­i­ty (gain) on the rx side.

  38. Matthew Yim Avatar
    Matthew Yim

    I bought the RAK 8dbi anten­na from them direct and it comes with a 3ft cable but they don’t spec­i­fy the type of cable it is. I recent­ly just switched from a 5.8 dbi and I noticed my earn­ings decreased by about half, that is after a day of increas­ing by 15%. What should I put in for the anten­na gain in my set­tings? Last­ly, I’m in the sub­urbs (ASHBURN, Va, USA) and my min­er is 9 meters up on the sec­ond floor win­dow with a decent view out­side. Do you think 5.8dbi would be bet­ter? Regard­less both anten­nas came with cables that were no spec­i­fied so I don’t know what to put for the gain?!? What’s a ball­park I should put because I have just been putting the anten­na gain.

  39. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    A day isn’t long enough to make a good deci­sion. You’re fine to just put 5.8 in the app, though if you want, you can account for cable loss. I don’t think it’ll make a huge difference.

  40. Matthew Yim Avatar
    Matthew Yim

    Thanks nick but from what I have spec­i­fied do you think 5.8dbi or 8dbi is better?

  41. Matthew Yim Avatar
    Matthew Yim

    Also when I com­pare the same hotspot that I wit­ness, I am try­ing to com­pare the RSSI and SNR val­ues. Is a bet­ter sig­nal a low­er neg­a­tive num­ber for RSSI and a high­er more pos­i­tive num­ber for SNR?

  42. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    Best to test it, but for now, read this.

  43. Matthew Yim Avatar
    Matthew Yim

    Will do thanks! But could you address my final question?

    I have been com­par­ing the wit­ness trans­ac­tions between the same bea­con­er (5.8dbi anten­na vs 8dbi anten­na). I noticed that while the RSSI val­ues are LESS NEGATIVE for the 8dbi, for the most part, and the SNR is MORE NEGATIVE (these are in com­par­i­son to the 5.8dbi). Does a LESS NEGATIVE RSSI such as ‑101 vs ‑103 mean a stronger signal? 

    Also, in terms of SNR, is a MORE NEGATIVE SNR bet­ter, such as ‑5 vs 5? 

    Thank you!

  44. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    Yes, ‑101 is stronger than ‑103. Total­ly worth read­ing this arti­cle on RSSI & SNR as it relates to Helium.

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  46. Mark Hallworth Avatar
    Mark Hallworth

    Hel­lo Nik, thanks for the great posts as usu­al always very infor­ma­tive, not sure if you remem­ber me i was get­ting the RAK 5.8dbi anten­na on a 10ft pole, its been doing real­ly well, just to let every­one know it wit­nessed a bea­con 189km away which is approx 116miles i was gob­s­macked, so pocv11 does­nt seem to reduce or lim­it the receiv­ing side of the anten­na, ive also sent a bea­con myself 109km so pret­ty good stats, it can also wit­ness local hotspots to me, this is on 9metres of lmr400 mcgill microwave cable, i havent added the loss yet but i will be doing, i do have a ques­tion, would i ben­e­fit from try­ing an 8dbi, as some hotspots im wit­ness­ing are also being wit­nessed in red areas which affets rewards, so was look­ing to go even far­ther away to green areas so they are less prone to send a bea­con to those red ones.
    Cheers.

  47. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    Right on! No need to go to an 8 dBi, you typ­i­cal­ly won’t see a huge dif­fer­ence in range when you go up in dBi with LoRa. High­er gain is used more to punch through known obsta­cles. PoCv11 won’t effect your gain at all on the receiv­ing side (as far as I know), it’ll just take it into account. It will, how­ev­er, dial you back on the tx side if you’re over the legal limit.

  48. Terry Avatar
    Terry

    Hi.. from the UK here and i have been putting 3.5 for my 4db anten­na with 5mtr LMR400 cable… is that cor­rect or should i just leave at 4? 

    Read­ing up through the thread it seems to sug­gest that heli­um will throt­tle the pow­er and rx depen­dant on what is sees set, is this the cor­rect assumption?

  49. Nik Avatar
    Nik

    Hi Ter­ry, Heli­um will only throt­tle pow­er if your gain takes you over the legal limit.

  50. Steve Avatar
    Steve

    I know some­one asked above, but sure­ly peo­ple arent going to update their anten­na (EU) UNLESS they get invalid warn­ings. Its not a guar­an­tee leav­ing a low­er dbi in the app and using a high­er dbi anten­na will result in this, until tried. So sure­ly peo­ple are going to try to keep a high­er trans­mit power

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